Tuesday, June 26, 2007

The pic is wrong

In the event that she ever does need a job, will Rosie be marketable after posting a picture of her daughter dressed as a terrorist? (Via Drudge.)


Blogger Dana said...

...just when you thought it was safe to come out...

btw, the comments on the picture at her site are priceless...

"My god…. that picture. I can’t stop crying. This war is such bullshit."

and this...

"Oh, WOW Vivi looks beautiful.! the fact that U let her explore her imagination like that shows what a good mom U R. In some countries though, they are training terrorists that young, how sad is that?"


9:53 PM  
Blogger David N. Scott said...

...I don't get it. It's tragic that people train their kids to be terrorists, but we all know ROsie doesn't believe in terrorists, so what's the point of the pic?

Obviously the 'this war is b.s.' person is on Rosie's wavelength, but I don't get what the point is.

10:44 PM  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

Yeah, celebrities have survived far worse.

Rosie says that it's really just a photo of her daughter playing dress up, and the original context of the photo was actually within a video that showed how Vivian used to play dress up as a princess last year, but now she plays dress up as a soldier.

I didn't see the video, so I honestly don't know how true this is. But I'm going to assume for the moment that Rosie herself did not strap plastic bullets onto her daughter before telling to to pose for the camera.

I've only seen the picture on its own once everyone started complaining, and my thought when I first saw it was, "Oh, that's wrong! That's the saddest picture." And then I was like, um, wait, that's far from the first time I've seen a kid dressed as a soldier. What is it about this one that's any different from these, for example? First, it's more artistic and captures her daughter's eyes well. Two, it's a little girl rather than a little boy. Three, her outfit certainly doesn't look like it's meant to imitate a US soldier.

Oh, and four, Rosie is a politically vocal celebrity.

My own interpretation of the picture is this: You are supposed to be sickened by it. And then you are supposed to ask why. I have no clue what Rosie meant to say with the photo, but that's my interpretation.

As far as letting her kid dress up like a soldier/terrorist, I don't think she should. But then again, I won't let my (future) kids dress up and play war at all. Thousands of moms let their sons play "soldier" or "Rambo." I think they're just as wrong for allowing that as Rosie is for letting her daughter dress up like that.

3:16 PM  
Blogger Nancy said...

I think they're just as wrong for allowing that as Rosie is for letting her daughter dress up like that.

Not too sure I agree with you there. I think Rosie's daughter is dressed as a terrorist, which is not the moral equivalent of a soldier.

Soldiering has been a profession since mankind existed and I think, particularly in a democratic state, it's an honorable one.

Anyway, good luck with what your kids can and can't play as or dress up as--I've found that more difficult to control than I thought it would be.

11:13 AM  
Blogger Mike LaRoche said...

G.I. Joe is a tool of fascist oppression!

6:32 PM  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

I certainly hope you already know that I also think being a soldier is a honorable profession. However, I don't believe in letting small children, who are still learning right from wrong, play games that involve "killing" each other (or imaginary people). To me, stepping in and saying "no" when a child starts to play any sort of war game is teaching them early on that even the most justified death inflicted by the most noble of fighters is not fun, and not even "OK."

I think there's a big difference between "justifiable" and "OK." Our soldiers often kill justifiably, but they come back from the war far from "OK," and the families of the fighters they killed are far from "OK." I believe that killing someone to protect myself or my family is justifiable and possibly necessary, but it'd be a long, looooong time before I would feel even remotely "OK" again. Death carries a price no matter what, and that's something I think needs to be instilled in them during their most fundamental stages of development.

Which is why I won't let my small children play war. I know full well that I can't help what they do outside of my sight, but they're going to know that it's not allowed, and I'm going to explain "why" to the best of my ability.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Nancy said...

I certainly hope you already know that I also think being a soldier is a honorable profession.

Yes, yes, certainly!

I don't believe in letting small children, who are still learning right from wrong, play games that involve "killing" each other (or imaginary people)

It's either that or their sibling! And if they don't have a sibling, it's their best friend's little brother!!!!!!

I kid. Sort of. Having caught child #1 standing on her brother when he was an infant, I get the feeling violent behavior is innate.

When my four-year-old daughter played orphans with a friend and pretended that their parents were dead, I was really thrown for a loop! I don't know where she dreamed it up.

I can't speak to whether veterans of war come back OK or super or whatever--I've read no studies. I know a few and they don't seem different than non-veterans to me, though admittedly I'm not all that intimate with them. I also occasionally read a few mil-blogs and the bloggers (though I don't know if they've ever shot someone) seem like nice, regular guys.

Re small children: my point is you will be surprised what they come up with--I would never have thought a child of mine would want to play dress up princess and my pre-parent thoughts were to not encourage it.

Well, there's was no stopping her, and why should I have? She gets a lot of joy out of it; I don't want her to think liking pretty things or being imaginative is bad.

Soldiering is not the equivalent of princessing, of course. I would also have never thought my kids would wear fatigues, since it's a sort of dress-up military and hunting wear, and I'm not much integrated into those cultures (though more so lately).

But fatigues have been very much in style. We got fatigue-style trousers as a gift for my son and he looked just fine in them. (And for my daughter--albeit in purple--and she loved them.)

Do they connect the fatigue pattern to soldiering or hunting? I don't know. And if they did, I shouldn't say that's a bad thing (my Dad would be very hurt if I did.)

When my 2-year-old stretched his arm out at me and said, "I shoot you with fire!" I had no idea where he got that. We don't watch violent cartoons here, but the best I could do is say, "I squirt you with water to stop the fire!" Perhaps a lesson in the properties of fire against skin would have been better, but I think it would have been lost on him and would have been less fun. Plus, we've gone over and over it: touching fire gives you an ouchie. And yet, he decided to pretend to shoot me with it.

I also have kept toy guns out of the house, but when summer rolled around this year, and the neighbor kids were squirting mine with water guns, I remembered how much I loved playing water guns as a kid and decided to let my kids share in the fun (but no squirting in the face!). I think they are harmless.

The toy soldiers from Toy Story have made it into my house and have not made madmen of my children.

I swore I'd never have a gun in my house, and yet, as my husband points out, when visiting his various family homes, there's a gun in the house.

When the kids are old enough, I don't want to deprive them from watching Star Wars, even though it involves a war. I know young kids who allegedly watch it and don't get too scared, but I think my kids are too young.

Anyway, my general point is I've had to reflect on what I thought to be true and re-adjust.

Other than what I've related to you above, my kids have not really played war (to my knowledge). (I did as a kid, btw--the great black jelly bean wars after Easter were not to be missed!) I'm not sure to what degree you'd outlaw playing war in your home; I'm not really sure to what degree I'd allow some of that stuff. But I think I may disagree with you a little here. Children are violent people; playing pretend is not always bad.

I know people feel differently and people have different philosophies about parenting.

You have very strong feelings and I wish you the best of luck adhering to your principles that will keep your future family happy and healthy. I've reflected on some of mine and decided they weren't quite right and needed to be adjusted.

Love to read your thoughts on it when you do become a mom.

Sorry to go on so long! (I'm sure you're asleep by now.) Meanwhile, it's raining, raining, raining here.

2:17 PM  
Blogger Nancy said...

Aiyeee! Sorry about the horrendously long comment!

6:18 PM  

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